[BETA] 5.2.8 - MKVII Churchill's Are Aids

[Walderschmidt]

I mean - I know it's Dondreon. But still.

Ace Tiger - 0 shots penn'ed the Churchill, even with AP.

At the very least the Tiger should pen the Churchill with AP (gameplaywise). Even Panther's struggle to pen it - which makes this tank counter BK Doctrine by itself. The only reliable gun to kill it is the PaK 43 (KT, PaK 43, Nashorn, JagdPanther). And this tank comes out when PIVs/StuGs are out. Imagine if the KT came out when Shermans come out.

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Wald

[Consti255]

i agree.
The Churchill should bounce KwK36 88mm and the KwK 42 75mm all day without AP, but when they activate AP they should pen them with way way higher chances. like 3 out of 4 shots should pen.
normally there was no reason for this tanks to get the upgrade, now there is one.

I agree with Walder that Blitz doc just struggles massively against RE.

[Warhawks97]

AP pen is based on base pen. It increases the penetration by x percent. Buffing ap would mean that it gets buffed against every target.

[Consti255]

Oh really.
Thats sad.

[Warhawks97]

well, that game was over basically right at the start. Axis never really got grip on important points and don did nothing else than planing his advance.

Consti had to get supply yard earlier and using ammo to plant mines on the right side. Axis never really tried to push there. Lucky for him. He also needs to combine his inf with churchills and teammates. He never really did it. He also lacks unit diversity. You dont really get anything from having 4 squads running arround with thimpson. Also lots of weapons like HMGs could be recreweed. Lastly, there is no point to have an inf squad with 6 AT weapons. Many times in engagments a a squad loses 1-3 men early on. That takes away a huge junk of his AT power. In this game he was lucky to bring all 6 men into firing position.

[MarKr]

The tanks usually have pretty solid penetration chance from the rear and in this game the Ace got immobilized and the Churchill activated hulldown mode. Tanks in hulldown get harder to penetrate by further 15%. If the Ace hadn't been immobilised it could have moved to a better position where it could hit the rear and penetrate it. However, I wouldn't be against some penetration boost for Tigers and Panthers vs MK VII. With penetration boost against MKVII, the AP ammo would give more penetration power too.

[mofetagalactica]

The tanks usually have pretty solid penetration chance from the rear and in this game the Ace got immobilized and the Churchill activated hulldown mode. Tanks in hulldown get harder to penetrate by further 15%. If the Ace hadn't been immobilised it could have moved to a better position where it could hit the rear and penetrate it. However, I wouldn't be against some penetration boost for Tigers and Panthers vs MK VII. With penetration boost against MKVII, the AP ammo would give more penetration power too.

did you fix the production time of the MKVII ? it builds too fast, i reported this long ago.