RAF, Luftwaffe, Propaganda thoughts.

[MEFISTO]

Hello guys. I have some suggestions to make some doctrines more fun to play and a bit better well-rounded.

1-I was reading Tiger's post, where he suggested giving back the RAF Firefly tank or tulip; in my opinion, Firefly is too strong (will overcome any axis medium tank) in a doctrine that has strong AT air support. Instead, I would give them the Easy Eight Sherman Call-in (same as the RA call-in).

2-Luftwaffe needs some Artillery support, most of the time when enemies' camp and Air support can't help to destroy enemies' defense, it is almost impossible to make a push. Actually, LeIG-18 Infantry Gun is behind many CP and costs 100 ammunition. I suggest making it available after Logistik Kompanie Upgrade. Another option can be a 150mm Nebelwerfer Rocket Battery, but I think this can be too strong. Also, I would add the PIV J, this doctrine feels like your only option to have good tank support is just going for an expensive panther, I would like to have the option to have 2 or 3 PVI J easy to replace than 1 Panther.

3-Propaganda. Please make this doctrine playable for all bk players, not only for those that have the best unit control. Make Volkstrum like regular infantry (increase their HP, similar to Rifleman) and increase its price to 240mp and nerf propaganda ability from the commander and sector. They still will be different than Volkgranadiers since they don't have LMG and can have panzerfaust for free after the CP unlock.

[tarakancheg]

First of all, you are touching 3 separate docs with this topic, which will make it hard for devs and everyone to keep up with possible disscussion here, so try to make it 1 doc per topic after this, please.

1-I was reading Tiger's post, where he suggested giving back the RAF Firefly tank or tulip; in my opinion, Firefly is too strong (will overcome any axis medium tank) in a doctrine that has strong AT air support. Instead, I would give them the Easy Eight Sherman Call-in (same as the RA call-in).

What is the reason for RAF to get Firefly in particular? RAF does not like AT in any form, Airstrikes+UNLIMITED AT squads with 3 HHAT+17p+achiless.
RAF has both offensive and defensive options for AT even with enemy AA cover.
while Firefly is a purely AT at (it's HE is not the best one for sure) 76 sherman is a unit capable of both engaging medium tanks (we consider panther a heavy tank in BK i guess) and can fend off most inf with 50cal+suppression.

2-Luftwaffe needs some Artillery support, most of the time when enemies' camp and Air support can't help to destroy enemies' defense, it is almost impossible to make a push. Actually, LeIG-18 Infantry Gun is behind many CP and costs 100 ammunition. I suggest making it available after Logistik Kompanie Upgrade. Another option can be a 150mm Nebelwerfer Rocket Battery, but I think this can be too strong. Also, I would add the PIV J, this doctrine feels like your only option to have good tank support is just going for an expensive panther, I would like to have the option to have 2 or 3 PVI J easy to replace than 1 Panther.

you have PZ4 F2 (imo way better than PZ4 J because of it's slow turret) which is way cheaper than pz4 H freeing up MP for your INF and AT.
Also. isn't leig available at FHQ?

3-Propaganda. Please make this doctrine playable for all bk players, not only for those that have the best unit control. Make Volkstrum like regular infantry (increase their HP, similar to Rifleman) and increase its price to 240mp and nerf propaganda ability from the commander and sector. They still will be different than Volkgranadiers since they don't have LMG and can have panzerfaust for free after the CP unlock.

while i want to just say "git gud", i will respond with this
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=4670

[MEFISTO]

First of all, you are touching 3 separate docs with this topic, which will make it hard for devs and everyone to keep up with possible disscussion here, so try to make it 1 doc per topic after this, please.

1-I was reading Tiger's post, where he suggested giving back the RAF Firefly tank or tulip; in my opinion, Firefly is too strong (will overcome any axis medium tank) in a doctrine that has strong AT air support. Instead, I would give them the Easy Eight Sherman Call-in (same as the RA call-in).

What is the reason for RAF to get Firefly in particular? RAF does not like AT in any form, Airstrikes+UNLIMITED AT squads with 3 HHAT+17p+achiless.
RAF has both offensive and defensive options for AT even with enemy AA cover.
while Firefly is a purely AT at (it's HE is not the best one for sure) 76 sherman is a unit capable of both engaging medium tanks (we consider panther a heavy tank in BK i guess) and can fend off most inf with 50cal+suppression.

2-Luftwaffe needs some Artillery support, most of the time when enemies' camp and Air support can't help to destroy enemies' defense, it is almost impossible to make a push. Actually, LeIG-18 Infantry Gun is behind many CP and costs 100 ammunition. I suggest making it available after Logistik Kompanie Upgrade. Another option can be a 150mm Nebelwerfer Rocket Battery, but I think this can be too strong. Also, I would add the PIV J, this doctrine feels like your only option to have good tank support is just going for an expensive panther, I would like to have the option to have 2 or 3 PVI J easy to replace than 1 Panther.

you have PZ4 F2 (imo way better than PZ4 J because of it's slow turret) which is way cheaper than pz4 H freeing up MP for your INF and AT.
Also. isn't leig available at FHQ?

3-Propaganda. Please make this doctrine playable for all bk players, not only for those that have the best unit control. Make Volkstrum like regular infantry (increase their HP, similar to Rifleman) and increase its price to 240mp and nerf propaganda ability from the commander and sector. They still will be different than Volkgranadiers since they don't have LMG and can have panzerfaust for free after the CP unlock.

while i want to just say "git gud", i will respond with this
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=4670

My suggestion on RAF was to give them the easy eight call in from RE ( 2 tanks) they lack on this, you know HE deal a lot of damage to infantry.
Panzer F2 has less HP and armor than PJ, luftwaffe mid game tank is almost empty, limit it to F2 and HE PIV, everything else can die to a strafing, and I am not asking for a hetzel.
No luftwaffe Leig isn’t in FHQ, it cost 6CP and 70 ammunition.
About propaganda, you can tel “git gud” to new players that doesn’t have any idea and don’t know Marks post about stats.
All doctrines should be playable for all players not only for a few.

[tarakancheg]

My suggestion on RAF was to give them the easy eight call in from RE ( 2 tanks) they lack on this, you know HE deal a lot of damage to infantry.
Panzer F2 has less HP and armor than PJ, luftwaffe mid game tank is almost empty, limit it to F2 and HE PIV, everything else can die to a strafing, and I am not asking for a hetzel.

i repeat my question:WHY does RAF need firefly if tanks are this docs intended weakness?

No luftwaffe Leig isn’t in FHQ, it cost 6CP and 70 ammunition.

Mortar HT exists, 88 flak VT exists, all of airstrikes are technically arty, but i wont mind leig for luft.

About propaganda, you can tel “git gud” to new players that doesn’t have any idea and don’t know Marks post about stats.
All doctrines should be playable for all players not only for a few.

i saw kwok beat a lot of people playing drunk as a prop so that tells something.

[MEFISTO]

My suggestion on RAF was to give them the easy eight call in from RE ( 2 tanks) they lack on this, you know HE deal a lot of damage to infantry.
Panzer F2 has less HP and armor than PJ, luftwaffe mid game tank is almost empty, limit it to F2 and HE PIV, everything else can die to a strafing, and I am not asking for a hetzel.

i repeat my question:WHY does RAF need firefly if tanks are this docs intended weakness?

No luftwaffe Leig isn’t in FHQ, it cost 6CP and 70 ammunition.

Mortar HT exists, 88 flak VT exists, all of airstrikes are technically arty, but i wont mind leig for luft.

About propaganda, you can tel “git gud” to new players that doesn’t have any idea and don’t know Marks post about stats.
All doctrines should be playable for all players not only for a few.

i saw kwok beat a lot of people playing drunk as a prop so that tells something.

This is the problem with “well rounded doctrines” some of them are and some of them aren’t.
RAF is a good example, it has excellent infantry, air support and artillery (75mm artillery and “HT mortar”). I am not asking for a strong Firefly, I am asking for 2 easy eight call in ( it won’t be overkill for this doctrine)
Luftwaffe on the other hand lacks on artillery compare to all doctrines.
Propaganda, I know it is a dead request, Devs are not going to change it (shame all players can’t play this doctrine) drunk KWOK is still better than the 80% of the community. To play this doctrine in a proper way, players needs to be really good at the game.

[tarakancheg]

This is the problem with “well rounded doctrines” some of them are and some of them aren’t.

All doctrines are both well-rounded doctrines and at the same time they are specialised so they have their doctrine units and can counter any threat.
Reason luft is lacking arty is that it can't counter enemy arty without actual investment. How does arty counter luft? By making it drain MP.
On the other hand luft has panther, which can be only reliably countered by 90mm tanks (and 76 Jumbo's if panther player has no clue what HEAT is)
Also i still want to know what is the purpose of 76mm sherman in RAF? For good HE it has CS tetrarch, commando jeeps are really good against even elite inf if you keep your distance and retreat in time, Achilles suits RAF ambush and sabotage style (sadly people only know how to A-move units into enemy front and dont even try using this P.S. glad R.M. commandoes are gone)

RAF is a good example, it has excellent infantry, air support and artillery (75mm artillery and “HT mortar”). I am not asking for a strong Firefly, I am asking for 2 easy eight call in ( it won’t be overkill for this doctrine)

Guess what RAF lacks? Tanks.
Each doc has it's weakness.
Def doc has little to none offensive tools.
BK is mediocre and looses against other docs in their field so it has to rely on enemy's weakness so it can snowball the game.
Prop has weak inf, but strongest arty and armor supported by an ability to reduce enemy stats making your units comparatively even better agaist your opponent.
AB lacks armor.
Inf lacks either armor for breakthrough (if you go for jacks), or a heavy AT (if you go jumbo)
Armor is greedy doc that needs a lit of time to set up, but it has one of the strongest lategame options if not the best outright.
RA is mediocre except arty part.
RE is a rush doctrine for most players in the current patch with "make MK7 or die trying meta".
RAF as said before lack armor but has objectively best in the game.
SE is a PE version of def doc.
PS just cant decide what it wants to be.
Luft has best armor for air docs and it's inf is the best from the start, only slightly losing to max CP commandoes, but it pays for it with arty capabilities (lets just pretend that mortar HT is a unit with a lot of damage potential if you know how to use recon.

Luftwaffe on the other hand lacks on artillery compare to all doctrines.

As you can see every doc is lacking in something.

Propaganda, I know it is a dead request, Devs are not going to change it (shame all players can’t play this doctrine) drunk KWOK is still better than the 80% of the community.

Kwok is weak player mechanicaly, he play with his head (game knowledge and thinking ahead), which i think is not being helped by getting his mind fogged by said substances. He is not using any hotkeys except reinforce and retreat (possibly grenades, dont remember him saying about it) so his APM is on a level of average BK PvP player. He just uses ut smarter than other people. Probably it says more about these "80% if the player's" than kwok. But whatever.

To play this doctrine in a proper way, players needs to be really good at the game.

No, they need to learn to read apparently, because i haven't seen a single person (except kwok) play prop as it's supposed to be played a.k.a. playing it not as a tiger doc. If you want to have Tigers AND good infantry play PS. It just feels like people playing axis can't handle feeling like they are the "US" on a "US vs PE" a.k.a. you can win but you have to do a lot more than your opponent to do so" against CW inf.

[MEFISTO]

I still think Luftwaffe Leig should be available before those 6Cp.