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More accurate descriptions are needed

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Hello there.

Im very pleased with the 5.1.5 version of the mod. This version contains the least amount of bugs so far. Despite of this I think some other parts of the mod can be improved upon like the descriptions of units and abilities because they sometimes provide incorrect information. Few examples:

- Wehr/Def Doc: Description of the Pantherturm Bunker doctrinal unlock is stating that I will gain access to the 75mm AT Emplacement which is not true because this emplacement was exchanged for 88mm one.

- PE: Schwimmwagen: Description of this unit is stating that it is unarmed which is not true because it is actually armed with mg 42.

- US/Airborne Doc: Weapon Support Center/101st Weapon Supply Upgrade: This upgrade states that after purchase Thompson, Johnson and BAR upgrades available for the 101st Paratroopers will be cheaper but there is no BAR upgrade. M1 Garands are available instead of it.

These are just a few examples. I bet there is more then that. Will you eventually rework these descriptions in the future so they will provide more accurate information? It would be really appreciated.

I love your work.

Keep it up and take care.

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Hi and welcome to the forum!

Yes, some descriptions are outdated because we made some changes and did not adjust the texts. If you feel like you would like to help with it you can get access to the ingame texts, look up what is off and correct it. Wolf grants access to the google sheets but if you sent me your gmail adress in PM, I will ask him to give you access. ;)
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Hi again.

Sorry for the late response but I was quite busy lately. Im afraid that I will have no time to go through all the ingame texts and fix them myself so you do not need to bother sending me anything at this time but whenever I will have some spare time I will play a few games and post my findings in this thread. Heres what I found lately:

- Wehr/Blitz Doc: Pz. Kpfw. IV Mass Production: Description of this doctrinal unlock is saying that Pz IV tanks will be reduced in price which is only partialy true because this reduction affects only H version and not the J one. I think this information should be provided to the player.

- Wehr/Def Doc: Grenadiers: Stielgranate 24 with fragmentation sleeve: Description of this ability is saying that these grenades can be used only from cover which is not true. I was able to use them outside of cover without problem. Is this a bug or misleading description?

- PE/Infantry Support Center: Nearly every upgrade ( if not all ) which can be purchased in this building affect also Assault Pioneers but there is absolutely no mention of that in the description of these upgrades.

This is it for now. I will play some more games later on and if I will find anything then I will let you know.

Cya.

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- PE/SE: Light Observation Halftrack: Description of this vehicle says that "the lightly armored observation vehicle is capable of scouting terrain, while stationery ( should be stationary ) terrain ( this word should be removed because it have no purpose to be here ) and to coordinate artillery strikes".

- US/Inf Doc: Weapon Support Center: Improved M6A3C Missile for bazooka affects also Close Quarters Squad while the description of this upgrade mentions only AT Squad. Which other infantry squad is this upgrade affecting? Its every bazooka in every squad or only specific squads? More accurate description is needed.

- PE/SE: Beobachtungspanzer IV ausf J: Artillery Feuerleit Barrage: Description of this ability states that it forces all 105mm and 88mm on-map artillery to fire on targeted location but there is no 88mm arty in this doctrine. This ability is working only with Wespe 105mm and Hummel 150mm therefore the 88mm part should be exchanged for 150mm.

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Should I bother to report anything related to the descriptions in the future because even after the latest patch none of these reported issues was fixed. Where is the problem? Is it really that hard to correct a few lines of text?

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You can keep adding stuff here, it is good as a list of descriptions to change/fix when we get to it.

It is not really "hard" but in many cases it is more than "fix the line". E.g. the Beobachtungs panzer has this text because it shares the ability with WM Feuerleit - they use the same ability file and thus the same texts (which are accurate for WM but not for PE). And fixing this means creating a new ability file, assigning to it new texts and then changing path to the ability for every unit that uses it. Which , again, is not too much work but still can lead to problems if you forget to adjust some units.
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Alright then I will keep posting in this thread. I do not want to pressure you into anything. I just wanted to know if you are taking these posts into consideration. Thats all.

Here is what I found lately:

- Panther G ( terror ) and A ( blitzkrieg ) versions have external MG 42 but there is no mention of that in the description of these units. I think this is pretty important information to know because that top mounted MG can tear some serious ass.

- When I was playing as Wehr/BK I wanted to secure a chokepoint with MG bunker but there was no MG upgrade available for me to pick after I built it despite the description was clearly stating that I will be able to pick MG, aid station or repair station upgrade. Only repair station was available.

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You can have only one bunker upgraded with the MG, the upgrade description mentions that there can only be one MG upgrade.
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Well that was my one and only bunker so that MG upgrade should be there but it wasnt. There was only repair station upgrade. I had no problem with the bunker in defense doctrine though. MG upgrade was there with all the other upgrades.

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- PE/Luftwaffe: Veterancy training is also affecting Gebirgsjaegers but there is no mention of that in the description of this ability.

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the updates of mg 42 can only have them in the def doctrine of WM, and you can have it in two bunkers, one will cost you 50 and the other 100 ammunition, the 100 ammunition also enables you mortar artillery (if you have mortars, can shoot farther thanks to the bunker, assuming the mortar is too far back,all available mortars can fire in the designated area, no matter where they are, the ability is in the bunker )

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Shanks wrote:the updates of mg 42 can only have them in the def doctrine of WM, and you can have it in two bunkers, one will cost you 50 and the other 100 ammunition, the 100 ammunition also enables you mortar artillery (if you have mortars, can shoot farther thanks to the bunker, assuming the mortar is too far back,all available mortars can fire in the designated area, no matter where they are, the ability is in the bunker )


I know that I can upgrade my bunker with MG in Wehr/Def doctrine. The problem is the misleading description of this bunker in other doctrines which states that I can upgrade it with MG which is not true and therefore this description should be corrected. Its not fun to waste 550 MP for a bunker which you think will protect a chokepoint just to found out that after you built it there is no MG upgrade.

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- US/Armor Doc: Jeep with the 75mm M20 recoilless rifle have same exact description as regular .30 cal Jeep which states that it excels at hunting down enemy snipers. This is obviously not true.

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- US/Inf Doc: Fortified observation post: This post have pretty crucial ability. It can reinforce nearby squads. I discovered this just by accident because there was absolutely no mention about this in the description. Part of the text also mention that this emplacement can heal nearby troops which is not true. It heals only squads garrisoned inside when you activate medical supplies ability.

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^Mindblown!
Kwok is an allied fanboy!

AND SO IS DICKY

AND MARKR IS THE BIGGGEST ALLIED FANBOI OF THEM ALL

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Walderschmidt wrote:^Mindblown!


I know right?

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- Wehr/Blitz Doc: Infantry assault team ability can spawn stormtroopers from neutral buildings but there is absolutely no info about this. Description only mentions off map reinforcements. This is pretty important to know mainly when you play on big maps because why would I summon stormtroopers from the edge of the map when I can do that from neutral buildings on the front? Same goes for demolition stormtroopers. Please provide this info in game.

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- US/Inf Doc: .50 cal emplacement: Description of this emplacement states that it is equipped with .303 Vickers MG which is obviously not true.

- Brits/Royal Artillery Doc: Staghound: Description of this unit states that this is a command unit which improves effectiveness of nearby tanks which is also not true. Its just ordinary armored car like Greyhound.

I already created post about Staghound over here:

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=3135

After it was clarified that the description is wrong Im reposting this issue over here so all the problems associated with the descriptions will be under one thread.

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Inaccurate descriptions after 5.2.0 patch.

American Armor Doctrine:

- Description of Combat Engineers mentions that I need to pick Infantry Doctrine for them to be available which is not true because they belong to the Armor Doctrine now.
- Jumbo unlock states that it will give me access to the 76mm version of Jumbo which is also not true because it unlocks 75mm one instead.
- Description of Rocket Launcher Jeep states that this unit is good against snipers. I think this Jeep is used more to counter big concentrations of units or to destroy emplacements/weapon crews and not to chase around snipers.
- Description of Allied War Machine ability states that it can replace destroyed Scott but this unit is no longer in this doctrine so this information is false.

American Infantry Doctrine:

- Fortified Observation Post (doctrinal unlock) have "Allows: Dingo to capture sectors" written in its description.
- Phosphorus Rounds upgrade on Priest states that some of the standard AP rounds will be replaced by Phosphorus Rounds. Priest use HE rounds and not AP rounds.

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Armor value of the British Comet tank is displayed in its description as 76-102mm which do not seem right mainly when you consider that Churchills armor value is 20-89mm and can tank for days while Comet is often one to two shotted. I remember that in older versions of the mod Comet had performance of a mini Tiger attack and armor vise but this was eventually changed while the description stayed the same.

Can you perhaps correct it to provide more accurate information?

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102 mm was achieved at some parts only. The churchill meanwhile had thick armor pretty much everywhere, even on the sides.

Tbh churchill are bit broken Anyway since we don't get the MK VII as standard tank and only as corocc call in. So the MK VI should actually be VII with up to 172 mm of armor. I still hope we get them someday.

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Warhawks97 wrote:
17 Sep 2020, 18:40
102 mm was achieved at some parts only. The churchill meanwhile had thick armor pretty much everywhere, even on the sides.
I meant rather the minimum armor. All the sources I checked online mentioned 32-102mm. 76mm is Cromwells maximum armor so thats why I mentioned that this armor stat do not seem right to me. Comets weakest spot cannot be possibly equal to the Cromwells maximum armor.
Warhawks97 wrote:
17 Sep 2020, 18:40
Tbh churchill are bit broken Anyway since we don't get the MK VII as standard tank and only as corocc call in. So the MK VI should actually be VII with up to 172 mm of armor. I still hope we get them someday.
It would be nice to see buildable Churchill Mk VII in the game indeed.

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General:

- Many vehicles which have access to the Ambush Lockdown ability have written in their description that they can fire one or more shots before revealing themselves which is kind of misleading because after the latest patch every TD will reveal its position after one single shot.

Wehr/Blitz Doc:

- Blitzkrieg Assault, Upgraded Production and Panzer IV Command Tank have all identical description which is also misleading because it mentions that I will be able to call-in battle group but none of these doctrinal abilities nor Command Tank have such ability.
- Panther Ace: Accurate long range shot and Assault ability provide misleading information about their availability because description of these abilities state (in red letters) that I can use them when tank crew reach lvl 2 but in fact I was able to use them only after I reached lvl 3.
- Panzer IV (J): Description of this tank mentions that it replace Panzer IV (H) which is not true because both versions are available at the same time.
- Mass Production: Description of this doctrinal unlock mentions that cost of Pz IV tanks will be reduced after I pick it but in reality only cost of Pz IV (H) and F2 will be reduced while (J) version is unaffected.

Wehr/Def Doc:

- Grenadiers: Stielgranate 24 with fragmentation sleeve have still misleading description which mentions that I can use it only from cover.
- Grille: 150mm Indirect Fire: Description of this ability states that it will fire one 150mm round but actually it fires 4.

Wehr/Prop Doc:

- Tiger Ace Support: Description of this doctrinal unlock mentions that I will be able to call-in Tiger Ace accompanied by Stormtrooper squad which is not true. Only Tiger Ace will be called-in.

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PE/Panzer Support Doctrine:

- Indirect Fire Support for Light Vehicles: This doctrine unlock mentions that it will give Sd.Kfz.232 Armored Car ability to call-in an off-map HE/Smoke mortar barrage but there is no such vehicle. I think you meant rather 222 version of Armored Car.
- When I produce JagdTiger then its description in Panzer-Jager Kommand will say (red text) that "maximum two JagdPanthers are allowed on the battlefield" despite of the fact that I had none deployed.

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