I want to prevent that we fill that topic with stuff the topic wasnt made for. So i simply continue it here.
Res management its already a clusterfuck of inbalances anyway, i dont even know if devs are balancing upkeep if units, because i have seen some units eating too much MP.
Warhawks97 wrote:Well. Upkeep is a different story. But yeah, glad people notice it. The lowest MP upkeep has WH followed by brits (brits tank have sometimes lower less MP upkeep but much more fuel). Then comes PE and finally US which get on a same level with PE when supply yard is up and on same level to WH when first upgrade is up and usually the best when all are up except in terms of fuel upkeep of tanks where axis remain vastly superior. Snipers and recons however keep more expensive than axis one.
MarKr wrote:I wasn't there when the upkeeps were set in the first place but in general I would say they are set to keep playing viable for all factions in connection to their units costs and intended playstyle. WM and CW have expensive units but lower upkeep, while US have higher upkeep and cheaper units, PE being between. If you set upkeep the same for everyone, let's say the high US upkeep, then in early game WM/CW will have expensive units and high upkeep and so they will be able to field less units and every loss will be more painful than now, and later in the game US will upgrade upkeep and gain huge advantage in this field compared to other factions. On the other hand if you set it low for for everyone then again US will be able to spamm even more and later again with upgrades.
Some upkeep values are however set wrong due to mistakes - e.g. Hetzers take 1MP upkeep instead of 10 or Comets have about 7MP upkeep. This was reported to us recently and it will be fixed in the next patch.
They are taken from vcoh in a few (or many) cases. The huge upkeep gap between US sniper/recon and axis one has no real reason. Axis snipers can kill expensive CW commandos and allis snipers expensive axis fallis. Both can also kill just cheap stuff like volks and rifles.
The unit cost thing is also not really a true argument. Rangers might be slightly cheaper than WH grens, but also way worse when it comes to their basic stats (but also later as upgraded stats). Basically, WM and US are quite similiar in some aspects. Both can win with cheap units or expensive units.
That PE is in between cost/upkeep of WH/CW and US is also not true. Their inf belonged for quite a long time to the most expensive producable units (eg heavy assault grens) without any options to buy cheaper inf units like WH or US can do. At the same time their rifle stats were worse than those of WH grens. Basically saying: PE payed more in prod cost and upkeep while getting worse stats than WH. This got changed recently (cost drop) and will be (rifle stats improvments).
The fuel upkeep was based on a page with stats of vehicles (just as they did with gun penetration drops, just that they used the worse possible stats for US guns while using stats of shots that werent used at this time anymore, but this is not a problem balance wise, rather better in terms of gameplay). Sadly they used onraod fuel consumption (liter per kilometer is what a unit cost in upkeep) for axis tanks but offroad for allis tanks. For axis this page simply didnt provide off-road fuel consumption stats for some tanks. As a result a tank IV (battle tank and TD based on it) cost almost nothing in fuel upkeep, shermans more than panthers.
@markr. That Hetzer thing got recently reported? I admit that i was unaware of the comet but that hetzer thing has got mentioned already in 2015 or 16 when i am correct.
Regarding brits tanks: their MP upkeep in general is pretty low but their fuel upkeep in return very high in some cases.
Short story: Upkeep is nothing "that cant be changed" and it has no real "reason" to be as it is. Its a mixury of vcoh ukpeep stats, randomly set values or taken from pages, just with "very selective" numbers that were used.