Low Health B1 Jackson Frontally Penetrated 7 Destroyed by AT Rifle

[Walderschmidt]

Same issue as the Puma 50mm thread. The B1 Jackson has 100mm of armor. Just because it has a sliver of health doesn't mean it should all of a sudden be penetrated by 28mm PGr38.

Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnD6j_dmKI0

Replay:

4P_NEUVILLE_BETA.2021-04-05.22-57-33.rec

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Wald

[Warhawks97]

Jackson does not have more armor than a late e8 Sherman. That thing basically penetrates everything and Jack's b has the same armor in game as a 76 Sherman.

[Walderschmidt]

Jackson does not have more armor than a late e8 Sherman. That thing basically penetrates everything and Jack's b has the same armor in game as a 76 Sherman.

THE B1 JACKSON DOES.

Does the E8 have 100mm of frontal armor?

Wald

[MarKr]

Nope, it doesn't. The game doesn't determine armor strenght by milimeters of armor.

[Walderschmidt]

Nope, it doesn't. The game doesn't determine armor strenght by milimeters of armor.

Oh.

In game it says 100mm of armor so I naturally assumed it had better armor than the Sherman.

What’s the point of the B1 Jackson, then?

Wald

[MarKr]

The game texts usually show the historical information and "100mm armor" is the best that the unit had at ANY part of the tank but it doesn't mean it had this strenght of armor everywhere in the front. These were usually some reinforced parts around turret and such while the hull still had weaker armor.
Here you can see technical specs of 76mm (W) sherman:
http://www.wardrawings.be/WW2/Files/1-V ... 2(76)W.htm
E8:
http://www.wardrawings.be/WW2/Files/1-V ... W-HVSS.htm
and B1:
http://www.wardrawings.be/WW2/Files/1-V ... /M36B1.htm
You can see there are listed the same armor values for all of them so all of them having similar armor in the game is "rEaLiStIc".

Point of B1 is that it is a Sherman with a bigass 90mm gun (more or less a Firefly with a different model/skin) and that's why there is the choice between Jumbo and B1 - Jumbo gives you more armor but worse gun, B1 gives access to "normal" armor but stronger gun.

[Walderschmidt]

The game texts usually show the historical information and "100mm armor" is the best that the unit had at ANY part of the tank but it doesn't mean it had this strenght of armor everywhere in the front. These were usually some reinforced parts around turret and such while the hull still had weaker armor.

Point of B1 is that it is a Sherman with a bigass 90mm gun (more or less a Firefly with a different model/skin) and that's why there is the choice between Jumbo and B1 - Jumbo gives you more armor but worse gun, B1 gives access to "normal" armor but stronger gun.

Got it.

Is this a legit bug in the thread or am I wigging out about Jacksons because I have a love hate relationship with them?

I also recommend removing the 100mm reference because it is misleading to the player.

Wald

[Warhawks97]

Jackson does not have more armor than a late e8 Sherman. That thing basically penetrates everything and Jack's b has the same armor in game as a 76 Sherman.

THE B1 JACKSON DOES.

Does the E8 have 100mm of frontal armor?

Wald

Yes, lower front of late e8 Sherman had jumbo armor. You have to check where. Lower hull and turret was usually well protected. Gun msntlet was large laying over the normal armor. The upper hill was usually not 100 mm thick. It was the weak spot on allied tanks or at least most us tanks. Germans were the opposite. Strong upper hill and weaker glacis.