out5488 wrote:I think that's because with just one more CP, you can have J with 140 MP & 35 fuel cost reduction compare to H with close combat performance, 35 fuel in that phase is a big thing, that's why I think currently Ausf.J's precondition is not balance : unlock time is too close to Ausf.H and with significant lower cost.
Depends on the situation. If u have enough fuel, u would be able to just pay 80 fuel and afford an IVH right away, while saving this 1 command point elsewhere! Instead of wasting it on the IVJ when u already have enough resources for the better IVH.
Also, it's not exactly the same performance.. because IVJ has much slower turret, and u still need to upgrade skirts. Not to mention that the turret can only rotate 180 degrees, 90 to the right and another to the left... And not 360 degrees like the IVH.
out5488 wrote:And just like I point out in earlier post, and you metioned it as well, J's cost doen't receive any reduction after enable mass production, or we can say J's cost already receive mass production reduction bonus even without mass production.
it's ironic since the purpose of design of Ausf.J is for mass production by a few performance lost in exchange.
Yes, like i said too.. the IVJ is already "mass produced" in Blitz doctrine. So, it doesn't need the mass production unlock... Therefore the mass production unlock affects IVH, Ostwind and IV.D only.
That's why i said u have a point here.. but I also gave some reasons why it's like that!
However, at the end some changes can be applied here...
>>> IVJ can cost 550MP/60F before the mass production is unlocked, which is actually the original price of this tank! But then it will be cheaper after mass production unlock, being 410MP/45F again <<<
I wouldn't really mind that at all, cuz this would be quite legit. But at the end... The IVJ would surely remain being available as soon as the upgraded production unlock as it is currently. So, the description would still need some correction!
out5488 wrote:It's another story, I think it may not a good idea to compare with the avaliable time of Tiger I and Pershing directly since they're belong to different doctrines and factions, which means they have differernt tactical and characteristic.
Back to the H and J, they're belong to the same doctrine, and they're just the different sub model(Ausf.H and J) belong to the same model(Panzer IV), so I thinks they're compareable.
Ya, i know.. but that was just an example anyway.
out5488 wrote:In reality, I usually see J before H, though technically H is one CP earlier than J. But the just one CP earlier and much more fuel cost. If you need medium tank then, peopole will definitely produce J instead of H (80 fuel vs 45 fuel)with no heistate. I think that's the reason why I usually see J before H in game.
If just like mass production description said, need this upgrade to enable Ausf.J prodution, that means H is 3 CP earlier than J, and when J is just avalialbe, H's cost become to competitive with J. (55 fuel vs 45 fuel)
No, i am afraid u r wrong. This way you are carelessly delaying IVJ with 2 command points!!
Which would be too much.
And everyone will just choose the IVH then! Players currently manage to deploy IVJ only because it's cheaper. But when IVH is also cheaper at the same time... No one would deploy IVJ anymore.
Lastly, I also like Combat Mission btw.. such a great game indeed.
But plz keep in mind that u can always edit your post rather than double posting twice in a row
Panzerblitz1 wrote:Like i said in order to unlock the j you need the pz4 chassis AND mass prod, it was always that way in bk, we surely made a mistake somewhere if the j doesn't need mass prod anymore, the j will always be cheaper compare to the H.
Hmm? in order to unlock the IVJ, you only needed Pz.4 unlock AND upgraded production. Not mass production! It has always been like that... The only mistake would be delaying the IVJ with 2 command points now.
Do u realize how many command points will be required for the IVJ if u delay it until the mass production??
Currently it requires 3, but this way you are making it 5!!
I think i really gotta go continue studying right now anyway.