Blitzkrieg Mod Forum

Tiger1996 wrote:
I know exactly the situations you are referring to.. and I have experienced them, however; this doesn't justify extending the re-hide time to insane levels or completely killing the role of camo in the game, if anything... Other solutions could be found, but the re-hide time shouldn't be too long.
After all, TDs and AT guns are meant to ambush and kill tanks.. so that's what they do! The counter is spotters.

Warhawks97 wrote:

Tiger1996 wrote:
I know exactly the situations you are referring to.. and I have experienced them, however; this doesn't justify extending the re-hide time to insane levels or completely killing the role of camo in the game, if anything... Other solutions could be found, but the re-hide time shouldn't be too long.
After all, TDs and AT guns are meant to ambush and kill tanks.. so that's what they do! The counter is spotters.

I think it does. Revealing itself and expect to get "forgotten" by the enemie just a few seconds later is just silly. Shoot, reveal, relocate, try again. I counted roughly 15 seconds re-hide now, perhaps a bit more and i was fine with it.

Also how does it "killing the role of camo"? Once you found a spot and click ambush button it needs just 9 seconds to camo. If that would take 60 seconds, that would really destroy the camo system.
There is a huge difference between "going camo" and to go "re-camo" mid combat. What you want is a quick re-hide which is quite a nasty thing to see a tank that just fired for only such a short time that you have barely time to shoot back at it before it goes re-camo. We could just as well add a "perma-camo". That would surely not killing the role of camo, wouldnt it? This is a ww2 game, not a "Predator" movie.



Also spotters? funny, usually right in front of such guns are enemie spotters so that the guns can use their max range. So you end up all day long in a spotter vs spotter showdown trying to kill the enemie spotter before you can get to detect the enemie hidden units and to go finally into combat. Thats always truly exciting.

The role of spotters is to spot enemie units, the role of detecting units is left for reconassaince units such like bikes, jeeps and stuff alike.

Viper wrote:current rehide time is more than 15 seconds. tank hunters are sitting ducks. no point to camouflage when you can always see where they are hiding.

Tiger1996 wrote:
And revealing on the first shot is already a big nerf to Axis TDs, making them having to re-locate more often.. but staying 15 seconds or more in order to re-hide even when there are no enemies around, is not how it should be.

Tiger1996 wrote:increasing detection range sounds legit, however.. too long re-hide time is absurd.

I would be ok with increasing the detection range, but re-hide time shouldn't be more than 9 seconds maximum.

Tiger1996 wrote:I don't want to disappoint anyone, but i just want to say the following...

At first, this whole re-work crusade started with the philosophy of "let's make all doctrines well-rounded for 1v1s" but what I can see is nothing of that at all, but maybe even the complete contrary.

Now that we have all the 3 doctrines "re-worked" in both USA and WH factions... i think it's safe to say that the weakest 2 doctrines right now are Terror and Blitz doctrines.

Most particularly, the old Blitz doctrine (v5.1.7) is MUCH more "well-rounded" than the new re-worked one;

And you don't even need to compare too much, it's really obvious with just a quick look...

- Off-map battlegroup support? Nerfed.. only brings Pz3 tanks, no more Stugs or Pz4 or any Storms. And Pz3 itself is nerfed...

- Pz4.H spam? Delayed.. requires more CPs now.

- Stug4? Delayed.

- Early available Tiger1 tanks with cool abilities? Gone.

- StormTroops? Nerfed even more. (no LMGs now + already can't crawl except with veterancy unlock)

- Ammo usage? Nerfed with adding ammo upkeeps for arty units. (i know this one is a global change though)

- Stuh? Nerfed.. along with Stupa.

- AT rifle boys? (only available in Blitz doc now AND nerfed as well)

- Grenadiers? Nerfed, no more STGs.

The only good thing is adding the Stuka airstrike, but that doesn't do anything anyways.

What about Terror doctrine?

- No more Grenadiers. How are you supposed to fight Rangers, Airborne or even Combat Engineers? I don't know.

- No more AT rifle squad... How are you going to counter buffed 50.cals now? No idea.

- Not to mention Axis TDs generally are much weaker now.. 1 ambush shot and insane re-hide time, they almost never re-camouflage.


So far, infantry doctrine is probably the best at the moment, Armor doc is weaker than it used to be though.. but still better than Blitz & Terror.

What are the solutions you might wonder?
I don't know... I prefer the current balance in v5.1.7 to be honest.

That doesn't mean that i hate the currently ongoing campaign of re-working doctrines .. but i just need to remind you that it's still TOO far away from being "playable" in terms of balance.. and it doesn't seem to be going the right path, just to begin with.

Solutions & suggestions maybe come later, but little suggestion for now about Terror:

>>> normal Tigers unlock could be 3 CPs, instead of 4 CPs and Tiger ACE could be 2 CPs instead of just 1 CP, so normal Tigers are accessed earlier and from there.. the player would need to decide to spend further 2 CPs for "Tiger buffs" unlock or "Tiger ACE" but obviously most players will choose Tiger ACE so I suggest making "TIger buff" unlock more useful by making it allow access to ALRS ability for Tiger1s, instead of requiring veterancy.


Replays of the latest BETA will be provided later as well.