37 mm Gun fixes
Posted: 11 Mar 2019, 12:23
Can we perhaps fix the 37 mm guns?
They have extremely weird performances and the same gun mounted on different vehicles behave completely different. Idk where to start but it seems everything is just broken.
So lets start:
37 mm M6 Staghound:
1. The long and max range pen modifier is the same: 0.66
2. 33% pen chance against regular Tank IV at max range. A 57 mm for example is with 45% just barely better.
3. Doesnt suffer pen from skirts on a Tank IV.
4. 99% pen chance vs regular Tank IV rear.
5. Guranteed pen vs Sdkz 234 at any range.
6. Guranteed pen vs Tank IV D frontally.
7. 6.6% pen vs stug (skirts)
8. 19.8% pen vs stug (skirts) from rear.
9. Poor against Hetzers rear armor.
37 mm M6 Stuart:
1. Ridiculous pen drop at max range with 0.38 modifier.
2. 19% pen chance vs Tank VI at max range.
3. Just 57% pen vs regular Tank IV rear
4. Just 80% pen chance vs sdkfz 234.
5. Just 61.98% pen chance vs Tank IV D front armor.
6. 3.8% pen vs stug (skirts).
7. 1.14% pen vs stug (skirts) rear.
8. Poor against Hetzers rear armor.
37 mm M6 Greyhound:
1. Ridiculous pen drop at max range with 0.38 modifier.
2. 19% pen chance vs Tank VI at max range.
3. Doesnt suffer pen from skirts on a Tank IV.
4. Just 57% pen vs regular Tank IV rear at max range.
5. Just 61.98% pen chance vs sdkfz 234 front.
6. Just 61.98% pen chance vs Tank IV D front armor.
7. 3.8% pen vs stug (skirts.
8. Poor against Hetzers rear armor (22,8 %)
37 mm M3 AT gun:
1. Long range pen modifier is 0.65.
2. 6,5% pen vs Regular Tank IV.
3. Doesnt suffer pen from skirts on a Tank IV.
4. Useless "AP shells" bc even with those active it doesnt get better than regular stuart due to poor standard performance.
5. Guranteed pen vs any Tank IV from rear.
6. Guranteed pen vs sdkfz 234.
7. Doesnt suffer pen from skirts
8. Guranteed pen vs Hetzers rear.
I think i could contiue the list but that alone would take anyones breath.
Just to underline how stupid it is: Staghound outperfoms every other gun, Stugs rear are harder to pen than Tank IV´s frontal armor, 37 mm AT gun has completely usless AP. In fact german 37 is better vs shermans with basic rounds as US 37 with AP vs normal Tank IV´s. Meanwhile 37 mm AT gun kill pretty much everything from rear.
Fix:
I think we should use Staghound as reference (with 37 mm AT range pen drop modifiers) as it comes closest to its real performance with 50 mm pen at 1000 meter and 90 degree and still 18 mm at 30 degree angel. And we need to improve rear armor penetrations against targets with very weak rear/side armor such as pretty much all medium tanks. It needs 3 to 4 pen hits anyway to destroy a Tank IV, so flanking should be rewarded.
They have extremely weird performances and the same gun mounted on different vehicles behave completely different. Idk where to start but it seems everything is just broken.
So lets start:
37 mm M6 Staghound:
1. The long and max range pen modifier is the same: 0.66
2. 33% pen chance against regular Tank IV at max range. A 57 mm for example is with 45% just barely better.
3. Doesnt suffer pen from skirts on a Tank IV.
4. 99% pen chance vs regular Tank IV rear.
5. Guranteed pen vs Sdkz 234 at any range.
6. Guranteed pen vs Tank IV D frontally.
7. 6.6% pen vs stug (skirts)
8. 19.8% pen vs stug (skirts) from rear.
9. Poor against Hetzers rear armor.
37 mm M6 Stuart:
1. Ridiculous pen drop at max range with 0.38 modifier.
2. 19% pen chance vs Tank VI at max range.
3. Just 57% pen vs regular Tank IV rear
4. Just 80% pen chance vs sdkfz 234.
5. Just 61.98% pen chance vs Tank IV D front armor.
6. 3.8% pen vs stug (skirts).
7. 1.14% pen vs stug (skirts) rear.
8. Poor against Hetzers rear armor.
37 mm M6 Greyhound:
1. Ridiculous pen drop at max range with 0.38 modifier.
2. 19% pen chance vs Tank VI at max range.
3. Doesnt suffer pen from skirts on a Tank IV.
4. Just 57% pen vs regular Tank IV rear at max range.
5. Just 61.98% pen chance vs sdkfz 234 front.
6. Just 61.98% pen chance vs Tank IV D front armor.
7. 3.8% pen vs stug (skirts.
8. Poor against Hetzers rear armor (22,8 %)
37 mm M3 AT gun:
1. Long range pen modifier is 0.65.
2. 6,5% pen vs Regular Tank IV.
3. Doesnt suffer pen from skirts on a Tank IV.
4. Useless "AP shells" bc even with those active it doesnt get better than regular stuart due to poor standard performance.
5. Guranteed pen vs any Tank IV from rear.
6. Guranteed pen vs sdkfz 234.
7. Doesnt suffer pen from skirts
8. Guranteed pen vs Hetzers rear.
I think i could contiue the list but that alone would take anyones breath.
Just to underline how stupid it is: Staghound outperfoms every other gun, Stugs rear are harder to pen than Tank IV´s frontal armor, 37 mm AT gun has completely usless AP. In fact german 37 is better vs shermans with basic rounds as US 37 with AP vs normal Tank IV´s. Meanwhile 37 mm AT gun kill pretty much everything from rear.
Fix:
I think we should use Staghound as reference (with 37 mm AT range pen drop modifiers) as it comes closest to its real performance with 50 mm pen at 1000 meter and 90 degree and still 18 mm at 30 degree angel. And we need to improve rear armor penetrations against targets with very weak rear/side armor such as pretty much all medium tanks. It needs 3 to 4 pen hits anyway to destroy a Tank IV, so flanking should be rewarded.