V13dweller wrote:I do agree, the Tiger functions perfectly, now fix the god damn churchills! My god, it's been so long, and they are still their same terrible selves.
Tiger1996 wrote:The Tiger tank functions are all perfectly set... If there is something wrong with any functions in the game then it must be with other units specifically on the Allies side, the early Jumbo for example which is ridiculously cheap and a lot effective.. also the over-rated Churchill's 75mm gun as it should be a lot weaker with almost zero chances of penetrating the Tiger's frontal armor but what's supposed is for its armor on the other hand to be much stronger on the stage or the level where it should be able to greatly bounce off the Tiger's 88mm gun shells from the front like the current unrealistic Jumbo or even tougher.
I do very well clearly understand ur point Warhawks and I can say it's legit but in my opinion it's unfair to change this while several other ridiculous points and values in comparison on the Allies side are still badly represented. The gliders for example!!! And yes; the SP crew can fear the Tiger, why not??!! I killed an SP face to face with a single Tiger loaded with AP rounds before btw. Plus that actually when did the SP catch the war even??!! U know.. so just leave it as it is!! The Tiger was a tank of highly respectful reputation during the war.
Wolf wrote:Problem with Tigerophobia and other abilities lies in that they were even introduced. While I agree that a lot of abilities are unrealistic or somewhat bad, but its a game and if we would remove all these force retreats, tigerophobias etc. we wouldn't have much left. While I can undestand that some players would prefer rather more realistic gameplay, its not always fun.
Little example, airborne units are reinforced via air generally. If we would remove that air one by one dropping, you would be left with pretty basic squad. Because realism, they should also have +- same stats as other infantry and maybe a bit different weapon loadout. Imagine that we would remove "right out of the building" of CQBs or stormtroopers. CQBs would be much less used, if ever. Stormtroopers would be much more inline with grenadiers, but here again, why should it be realistic, that only stormtroopers can invisible-crawl? In the end the only difference ingame would be weapon loadout, which even now does the most (imagine FSJ without FG42 or 82nd without thompsons).
So how does that relate to TP? Its unique mechanic, if we would remove it, wasn't there topic that mod should be unique recently? If we would reduce it, would it even be worth using? Tiger is certainly one of the iconic unit of the whole ww2, that speciality is here in form of tigerophobia.
Its maybe not the right topic to say it, but because of increasing wave of requests to remove / reduce that ability, I said it here.
I tried some more realistic mods, it was different, but gameplay was rather dull and definitely not Blitzkrieg-ish.
Keep in mind, that removing any ability makes x% of players to play differently.
Wolf wrote:I am not saying that its not stupid, but that there isn't anything clever to do with it, so it could stay and not be stupid at the same time.
Thread breaker ... well, that depends, while this can be somewhat "realistic" - aiming at tracks etc. It often did nothing and munnition was wasted, so it was maybe buffed? If it threadbreaks even without atleast very close shot, then it might have bad AoE set. Isn't it a purpose, that it doesn't "damage armor", because it is aiming at tracks? This particular ability doesn't seem that unreal to me, but again, what can you do with it, other than making it 50/50 or whatever :/ Whole CoH is based on "small heroic squads making great things", so this goes with it, if we had like quadruple number of units ingame, it could be different.
I would surely agree to fix the Tigerphobia thing to what u want but also to modify the accurate long shot to what I think, deal? Tiger1996 wrote:@Warhawks; Well, let's figuratively claim that in order to insure more realism too beside modifying the 'tank shock' ability of Tigers to what it should be as u say... Then I would also demand to modify the 'accurate long shot ability' on the other hand as it should be for free without any ammo to be paid neither being in need for any Vet points.. but maybe only a bit more ability recharge or reloading time just for balance reasons ^_^ Isn't this also more logic?!
Armacalic wrote:(Got ninja'd by Warhawk)
No deal, Tiger, a request for balancing a unit does not provide you with grounds to ask to make it OP in return. Fearing a crippled tank is more logic than a tank that always hit its mark at +2km. Yes, they were crack shots, but accurate first shots were NOT common, instead it would be a ranging shot preceeding a kill shot. Meaning, if you wanted a logical buff to the tiger, it'd be for its ability to actually be two shots, one with say, a normal shot without any buff, simulating the ranging shot, and then an 80-90% (give or take) accuracy shot.
In the game the Tiger and other german tanks don't suffer from any mechanical problems their real counterparts had, complex mechanisms also meant they took longer to repair and often could not be repaired because spare parts weren't that easy to come by, want to simulate that too?
Yes, various versions of the tanks got the mechanical kinks ironed out, but Tigers specially needed at the very least an specialized driver, who knew how long and when to push the tank's engine's limit, and even then, they could cause the engine to fail if they miscalculated. Your wonder tank is anything but.
Now for something related to Warhawk's , did you know, most tanks carried ammo load outs consisted, more often than not, of over 50% HE shells? Even most tank hunters would carry a fair share, often a 50-50 split of HE and AP. US loved the 75mm cannons because they fired a much more effective HE charge than the 76mm did. #Trivia
Warhawks97 wrote:The HVAP part was interesting and that the HVAP was much more effective against unlsopped tiger armor than against slopped armor in general like those of Panther.
