Tiger1996 wrote:Well, there is no way to compare Scott with SturmTiger... Scotts require no command points and can shoot all the time! SturmTiger is simply on an entirely different tier with 7 command points and much bigger gun. As it fires once every 6 minutes for 150 ammo, and I think within 6 minutes a Scott can actually collect many kills too.
I just wanted an answer. Would 120 range be enough to punish campers? I would say yes. Everything above is just bonus and kind of "another tool for axis to give counter arty fire".
Frequently I see Vet.3 Scotts with several inf kills, and even some tank kills btw.. their superior range combined with decent damage against tanks, is in fact quite reliable! And sometimes they immobilize enemy tanks on the first hit! Scotts also are great against Bunkers actually, they will not destroy it quickly of course.. however; 2 Scotts wouldn't take too long to eliminate a Bunker. Also, I would say that Bunkers for Armor doc are not as dangerous as AT emplacements for Axis tanks on the other hand after all, not to mention they are more expensive and take much more time to repair and construct. So, spamming them is never easy!
You can spam bunkers. When distribute jobs among players, one can run arround with a horde of pios. They build and repair them quicker as all arty combined can kill them before running out of ammo. Trust me thats possible.
Also there is a Bunker with Panther turret. On top you dont need bunkers to stop armor. Most emplacments with 88´s and trenches with schrecks inside and in front of them will surely cause a slaughter among armor players.
Often these Bunkers are just empty or upgraded with HMGs against inf, and as Armor your army is mainly consisting of tanks.. so these things won't stop u, and in the worst case, there would be AT teams inside the Bunkers.. but u don't actually have to blow up the Bunker in order to kill infantry inside it, same when infantry are inside buildings, they can either be sniped or killed with mortars and Scotts or even Calliope. Bunkers offer better protection to the infantry inside compared to regular buildings of course, but still they aren't really immortal inside it.
Not immortal but long living though. Dudes who put a single bunker in the vast open areas without anything arround are not very smart anyway.
PantherTurm is basically useless too, their 65 range is inferior to Scotts.. which means that Scotts can just freely keep shooting at them until they are destroyed. Even the Pak43 emplacements die too quickly to Calliope... The only thing really dangerous, are Flak 88s and mines so far.. but as I said these aren't impossible to counter either. And the Grille often keep just dealing no damage despite scoring direct hits!! Even to the point that sometimes I even ignore to move my tanks when I hear the Grille shooting, as I know it wouldn't hurt me anyways.. and even if it does, it won't kill anything with just a single hit, except too rarely.
You can hammer long tom on def doc emplacments without killing them when the boost is unlocked. Dont come with calli now killing AT emplacments. Untill this scenario takes place your forces would still not be able to pass the entire defense system.
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Look, I know what u r thinking tho...
You want to tell me; "if Terror doc has SturmTiger, then why shouldn't Armor doc have 105 Sherman as well??!!
Nope. I dont want the 105 in armor doc. No need to be honest. For gameplay and also historical reasons i dont want it there. I want only the 75 mm jumbo there. I tested it in my mod, yes, but quickly removed it again. The 105 doesnt fit in armor doc and makes the doc horrible OP.
I think it's because Armor doc would actually win against Terror in actual tank battles, Terror doc simply isn't able to field as many tanks as Armor.
When you go for SturmTiger (7 CP) then u would already have to deal with some Pershings (5 CP) on the battlefield.. yet while keeping in mind u would still need another more 7 CPs to finally get Panthers. And if you go for Panthers first (7CP) against his (5 CP) Pershings, then u wouldn't have SturmTiger yet. And if you go directly for King Tiger (11 CP) then u will never be able to have it before the SP because the Super Pershing is 2 CPs earlier available and is also way cheaper. And if you play mid game with Grens and Stugs, then this might be the best thing to do as I often try to force the Armor doc player to waste 7 CPs and go for the Jumbo first due to being under pressure.
I was also not talking about this.
My whole point was:
When you want to punish camper, do you need 200 range on that ST? No. Thats the whole point.
Bottom line is; if Armor doc would ever receive a powerful arty unit.. then I believe it would be LITERALLY unstoppable!
Yes, it would. But again i dont want a powerfull arty unit in armor doc.
I just dont want every axis doc to have kind of long ranged and very long ranged sniping cruise missiles (ST), Guided shells (Grille), Semi auto loading Panzerhaubitze 2000 style extrem long ranged artillery (Hummel with 5-3 sec reload time in stat mode, less than 3 sec with vet), cheap long range area bombardment Hisbollah style (nebler) rocket systems.
Medium ranged artillery would be enough for most of their docs. Just like 120 range RE churchills or 150 range callis or 180 ranged 105 shermans.
This is my whole point. I am not interested here in deep CP ammount unlock what if encounters etc.
Vet.3 Super Pershing killing KT and 2 Tigers, and also survived SturmTiger at the end 
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