Warhawks97 wrote:Right now you can use a huge "glitch" (i consider it as one) as axis. Allied heavy AT guns have almost no chance to hit a moving Puma. If they can fire at all due to aim time. Thus double puma will surely overrun any 17 pdr if these are little protected (like by smaller AT guns or whatever). And quite often flanks are weakly protected and AT guns there exposed. Nobody wants a panther rushing a flank, but nobody expecting a Schwimmwagen or Puma doing that.
I brought thsi up to Markr once but Corsix couldn't really prove my suspicion so we chalkd it up to bad luck. But I'm glad I'm not the only one experiencing this "bad luck".
no. you see it in corsix actually. You must have been very blind if you didnt see it.
US 76/17 pdr vs puma has 0.82 accuracy and reduced by further 0.6 modifier when puma is moving.
vs PE vehicles it has acuracy 1 and 0.6 modifier when moving.
Axis 75 mm vs M8 has accuracy 1 and then just 0.8 modifer when greyhound is M8 moving.
Also vs jeeps/schwimm:
US has 0.5 and then 0.6 when moving.
Axis 1 and 0.6 modifier when moving
So its incredible easy to overrun allied heavy AT guns with Pumas and schwimmwagens.
Allied AT guns need cover from vehicles, tanks or other AT guns to not get overruned.
I used that glitch so fucking often. It was not even fun anymore.
Basically, i knew that the heavy AT had less than 50% hit chance from ambush to hit my sdkfz 234 from ambush. In combo with schwimmwagen that reveals it.... you know the result.
I ve been saying it all the time: The 234 vehicle series has been and still is the best vehicle type you can get. Its fast, well armored, has good HP, can be used as aa (20 mm ) and its cheap. And turret rotation for the 20 mm one makes this vehicle extremely well.
Players simply fail to see the most obvious.
@Tiger: Well, i used the 234 with 20 mm always highly aggressive. First i thought its just luck. But since i figured that its not jsut luck but part of the system i started to use that glitch all the time in many games.
But its funny. As ally its a strategic decision whether to get medium or light AT. To get either good anti vehicle and anti stug AT or actually anti tank gun.
As axis AT guns have no real drawbacks. The 50 mm has penetration power to kill any tank, the 75 mm the accuracy to kill any fast vehicle. The only difference are cost, mobility and damage. But both can be used to counter tanks and vehicles. Allies dont have this kind of luxus which is sad.
But its not the first time i am saying this. I mentioned it somewhere already but got apparently forgotten again.
Tiger1996 wrote:I honestly don't see what he is talking about here... I would say that these are nothing rather than just some false "illusions" so far!
For me, all AT guns are just the same.. they can all miss just as much often! I can recall very well some certain occasions when I saw Greyhound or Staghound as well as Jeeps over-running Paks too. The same way, I have seen Pumas and Schwims also doing the same on the other hand.. and I have also seen Axis half-tracks surviving Zookas, but just the same happened with Allied half-tracks surviving Shrecks sometimes as well, nothing is wrong.
Sure, both can happen.... just like M10 bounces a 75 mm AT gun shot (happend to me recently, chance: 5%), Rifle squad with Garand finishes a sdkfz 234, 57 mm pens tiger etc etc etc.
But the probability is that this happens is far higher for axis to overrun AT gun.
Tor wrote:Axis 50mm better vs shermans that 75mm, and vs light vehicles to.
Axis 75mm not enough vs pershing and churchil, so 75mm useless.
Allies 57mm not enough to kill PZ-4H, USA 76mm realy good vs infantry, 17F realy good vs vehicles.
So allies use only 76mm, and axis only 50mm.
And axis half track you can't overrepair and with 95% chance take one bazooka.
basically, yes. except that 17 pdr is good vs vehicles. Its not better than the US 76.