Checking res etc i wouldnt say allis won that. No matter if shanks had left or not, the Jagdtiger made it. Just shanks didnt know perhaps that JT is coming.
All sides made many mistakes and in both games armor doc hasnt been played well or at least correctly adjusted. Going for the most expensive shit armor doc gets is nonsense simply bc the armor thickness doesnt count. There is no tank US has at its disposal that cant be killed by a Hetzer:
Warhawks97 wrote:
The Hetzer has a 26,061% chance to penetrate the Jumbo without using AP rounds or ambush at max range. Against the Pershing its a 20,02% chance.
So every fourth hit is actually a penetrating one. And this is shared by so far every axis 75 mm L/48 gun (Means tank IV´s as well).
From ambush these values are doubled. So It has a 52,122% chance to pen jumbo and 40,04 to pen pershing. With AP rounds this is boosted to 69,32226% and 53,2532. The damage of a Hetzer with ambush (50%) and AP (25%) damage boost is 750 (min) - 1125 (max). Pershing has 1000 HP.
So here you have the reasons why the Hetzer can kill any US armor very well. Its related to the doubled pen damage most TD´s get. Only M36 gets just a 50% damage boost. If both, jacks and Hetzer use AP during ambush, the max damage of the Hetzer is higher than that of the Jackson. IIrc Nashorn does also not gain any damage or penetration boost, thus being basically "the worst" axis ambush TD (which is funny since its sole purpose is to fire from ambush).
Thats why going for pershing and jumbo against def doc or TH is utter bullshit. You go way better by not allowing them to advance (hidding AT guns, using anti inf vehicles, recons, snipers and lots of cheap sherman stuff to keep them busy) and to keep harrasing them. Esspecially in a RA, Armor combo that makes much more sense then rushing with pershings into hetzers and other stuff when RA can bomb them out.
Tiger1996 wrote:And of course Hawks didn't mention anything about this here... He went up the roof when I told him that Armor doctrine had the best kill/death ratio in the replay I previously posted, as he said "Srsly? scoreboard means nothing" but here.. he is apparently OK with the outcome of this game despite that 1 player has already surrendered 20 minutes before the game actually ends!!! Though, sadly... I bet he would have probably shouted so loudly about it, only if it was me the one who posted this.. which is honestly a bit of a shame!
Neither you tiger nor wurf has made any attempt to combine vehicles with rifle squads, perhaps mortars (the small one using smoke can be usefull as well) to outplay the less flexible PE (in terms of numbers and unit diversity fielded at once). You just made only snipers and then jumping directly towards pershings.
Luft made errors (the typciall luft player error) by nonstop blobbing and reinforcing luft inf. That led to a bleedout in the long term that could have been used by wurf to a greater extend by expanding his vehicle and sherman fleet. 50 mm, own hetzer and less blobbing could have saved many lifes and ressources. So ammount of invested ressources in relation to destroyed res was perhaps negativ for shanks.
In Tigers game Axis made huge strategic errors. They should have known that US cant beat cheap camping. Which means using cheap defensives units and own arty early on instead going for the most expensive. But thats a standard axis error here.
In both games we saw the potential of inf doc, RA doc and TH doc (and to some extend of the luft doc when taking the henschel strike into acc which again could have been prevented by a few bofors). Those made the decisive strikes (long tom, priest, planes, TD´s) or simply made an heroic last stand (Jagdtiger). But in non was anything visible about the "Mighty armor doc". Neither as a whole nor anything 76 sherman related which is suppsoed to be "its core". The malfunction of armor doc and US armor in general (and more particular for 76 shermans) became obvious. Though i admit that perhaps the 76 would have performed better in this case.
So i dont care about the outcome at the end. In both cases the Jagdtiger has shown how much it can absorb from any damage source (due to armor, HP, low received damage). At the other hand we saw how vulnerable armor is and even more how (76) shermans are "non-existent". Either not fielded at all or they are just "ghosts" or a just a breeze between hurricanes and tornados.
Tiger1996 wrote:
Anyway.. the Henschels aren't OP, and Hetzers gain more pen/damage when ambushed.. just like all other TDs in the game, including Allied TDs too.
Not all. Nashorn has as it seems no pen or damage boost at all and just one ambushed shot. Idk why the Jagdpanther has so much better ambush stats although its already much better in open battles than nashorn.
Jackson is still the very worst. It has much weaker damage and pen boosts and is the only of all TD that does not gain a range boost. When using AP the Jackson is the wors in terms of damage. Even a M18 and m10 deals more damage in an ambush. the Achilles bypasses it by far.
On top, the jacks has received an weaker armor in latest version.
The other "TD" gaining less boosts is the stug IV but its not a fully supposed TD at the other hand.
Oh, and allis tds do not gain accuracy boosts from ambush (but in return have got higher basic accuracy which is has high as panthers accuracy).
, you'll see why, and I learned many things in this game, first: do not abandon your partner until the end of the game, second: do not say "good move or gg" before time , third: nothing is impossible (@ tiger1996 xD), fourth: TH is a wonderful doctrine, has the ability to recover from a great loss quickly, fifth:EstadoMayor, he be surprised you, even though it is a bit rusty ...... .I hope you see this repetition until the end, if you want to comment, I assure you that you will have fun watching it! 
