.55 cal and .50 cal vs 20 mm German

[Viper]

can any one told me how 20 mm flak cannot do any thing against recce
and how .55 cal penetrate the flak tank on defensive doc
and why recce do a lot damage against inf except all armored car and tanks with 20 mm didn't do shit
why .50 cal is op than 20 mm all kinds
and how 37 mm at cannon didn't do any thing against recce but in Stuart do a lot damage on it
pls 20 mm must be rework
TY

[JimQwilleran]

Let me enlighten you .

(1)
Recce is nothing else than M5 stuart without turret. Here you can check that tank's armor values: http://gamemodels3d.com/worldoftanks/vehicles/a20

Here you can check penetration value of 2cm kwk 30. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_cm_KwK_30.

Penetration of that gun with regular ammo is around max 23mm at the distance of 100 meters.

Even in the very rear of M5 the armor thickness is 25mm (without slopping)


(2)
Now why can Quad .50 call can penetrate flank tank of def doc? The flank tank is just AA gun put on the chassis of Pz.Kpfw. 38(t).
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5148/5661856814_1418c341f8.jpg
http://gamemodels3d.com/worldoftanks/vehicles/g13
The crew is easy to kill in that unprotected place. Maybe it's because of that. Anyway the 0.50 cal is able to penetrate up to 22mm of armor. Pretty enough to penetrate not only the unprotected crew of the tank but also the hull.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2_Browning

(3)
Why 37mm gun do not penetrate M5? Let's check penetration values of 37mm gun! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3.7_cm_KwK_36... Up to 34mm with standard ammo. And what was maximal armor thickness of M5? 43mm .

Here you are

Bonus:

and why recce do a lot damage against inf except all armored car and tanks with 20 mm didn't do shit
why .50 cal is op than 20 mm all kinds

Why is 0.50 cal HMG better at killing infantry than 20mm AA gun? Maybe because first is "HMG" and other is "AA" gun

[Warhawks97]

https://archive.is/CW2CM
http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/US/M5_stuart.php

guess everything is being said.


The quad 20 mm is too bad vs HT´s and Greyhound and M20, true. The single 20 mm is one of the best automatic weapons (the single on from def doc/base def, Opel Blitz, sdkfz 251/17).

I just today checked them out. The single 20 mm (not those from puma) has very high accuracy (basically the highest you can find, 0.5 compared to 0.1 of most cal 50).

The pen vs Greyhound is not guranteed, therefore basic damage comparable to 37 mm flak even which is further boosted by 250% vs Halftracks and Greyhound.

The cal 50 is performing too bad vs axis HT´s and sdkfz 221/222 series but quite realistic vs 234 series.

As a historical note: The cal 50 had the pen of Boys AT rifle which got actually obsolete and replaced when cal 50 reached the frontlines.


The 37 mm pak and 20 mm are not unrealistic vs Stuart tanks to which belongs the recce.


So generally the cal 50 is bit too weak vs many vehicles, the quad 20 mm is pure crap and horrible unrealistic, the 37 mm flak is very decent actually and the single 20 mm (251/17, Opel Blitz, stationary) is the best actually when comparing single cal 50, quad 20 mm and 37 mm as it combines burst duration, accuracy, damage and pen.

[Krieger Blitzer]

The gunners of both the M20 or the Recce should die much more often just by bullets I believe...

[XAHTEP39]

Yes, Pak36 penetrates Recce/M5 Stuart rarely.
So why anti-tank Gun 37-mm Pak36 (and mounted on HTs) doesn`t have ability "timed" APCR (with higher penetration) shells, such as 50-mm and 75-mm Paks? Only additional HE-shells...

[JimQwilleran]

The gunners of both the M20 or the Recce should die much more often just by bullets I believe...

Tiger tank top gunner also should die often .

[Krieger Blitzer]

SP top gunner as well

[Sukin-kot (SVT)]

SP top gunner is not immortal like tiger's one.

[Krieger Blitzer]

I SWEAR THAT IT IS!

[Sukin-kot (SVT)]

If yes, than it shall be fixed, for Tiger as well.

But from my experince, I have seen dead SP gunner, not sure though.

[Krieger Blitzer]

Not 'if yes' because I am pretty sure that it is immortal just like the Blitz Tiger's one! No one knows the SP more than I do here
I wouldn't mind that it gets fixed for both once it's ever possible.. as I even want the flank speed to be removed from Tigers as well