Consti255 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2022, 10:52
Spoken with Kwok over the change, since i wanted his oppinnion for this change, because he was the main doc designer of TS. I think in general it is a great idea and i would love such change.
The problem is what Kwok told me and i will agree here, that this would be a flat buff to all PE docs, and good micro players will abuse such change (even tho i would love to see this happen), while people with less micro will bitch about such changes since they dont understand in general how buffs on units work and how to use them properly. Sticking with, give me back my 7. men.
I am currently playing vcoh from time to time and in the entire franchise you have factions that work totally different and require different sort of skill. Thats NORMAL. Idk when or why and how we started to change BK in a way that it is more or less no problem to master all factions when you can master one faction.
That mirroring stuff just to please some guys who always want to play the game the same way regardless of doctrines and factions just pisses me off. I mean usually its like this: Be carefull with your early inf, get some sandbags, get important fuel and ammo, dig in and get tanks and arty asap. Thats so retarded.
And why are we pleasing these coach potatos everytime.
Just an example from my current job that i have. My "Boss" told me the following about technology and IT stuff: "You always have to consider `DAUs´ when doing something." DAU stands for "Dümmster anzunehmender User". In English this means "Most stupid assumed user".
And apparently BK is the same now. Dont make something too different and complex. It might require skill what people dont want to have anymore. They only want to unlock the same arty and tank paths over and over. They dont want a demanding game or at least one demanding faction.
Personally i think US and WH should be the more easy and forgivable factions. CW and PE on the other hand more difficult. CW based on a more slowly approach where you push your enemies back and where you have to be carefull with your units which are extremely potent when well used. On the other hand the mobile PE faction that you just cant play with "Sandbag tactics". To be honest i would even remove sandbags, trenches and bunkers from normal Pgrens and leave sandbags to the assault pios.
But this extrem mirroring of WH and PE is so harmfull for the game that i wonder why PE even exists. TS doc for instance is for me a doctrine that copied Bk doc where you use medium tank spam+quite capable infantry to get over your enemie just that TS has some "Terror special" at their disposal like King Tiger. And def and SE is just an artillery competition.
Can we pls get just rid of this permanent "pleasing the DAU" (Most stupid assumed user) mentality that i have to face at my work already?! We are losing so many passioned players that really like to show some skills with their unit handling instead of just hugging sandbags.
Like why not. WH has normal 6 men squads that are really tough defenders with sandbags, trenches rifles and lmgs while PE is an almost crazy like mobile force with lighting strike capabilities are their factional uniqueness.
Basic Pgrens would be 5 men with the ability to get G43´s and LMG42 and 70 HP per men.
Heavy assault Grens are 4-5 men strong starting with STG and MP40 right away and able to get more STG´s or an additional lmg42 that are permanently sticking with vehicles, mainly HT´s to quickly strike and run while receiving cover from vehicles.
Why do we really always have to please these boring sandbag dudes. Like just WHY?
And kowk, for real now, if you can hear me. Most of the time you play 1 vs 1 or a different game anyways. If you play in a team you can be super aggressive and mobile with PE which is a lot of fun and even for you its fun to play this way. Why are you always so utterly defending those who never dare a move that would involve to leave the sandbags and emplacments.
It makes me so sad that i am currently enjoying vcoh more than BK simply because of its huge diversity. BK has just big ass doctrines with lots of unlocks of which many dont get used anyways and factions looking like sibblings, esspecially on german side.
While i support a overall change from the WSC and ISC that the unlocks should cost fuel, i think doing a fuel cost without a complete change how unlocks work is critic. People wont get it, because they want to spam tanks, tier up or get down arty.
While the buffs are most impactful, when getting them early into the game.
I wish the balance between research and tiering would be like in vcoh. There you really have to make decisions. You can tier insanely fast there but what you field then is super weak and helpess without support.
Or you can spend your fuel into research to improve what you have on the field but delay high tier units.
PE for instance can either fully buff its inf first when spending all fuel into every inf upgrade or you can just get the required buildings and tec to rush the Panther battlegroup call in which alone cant do shit due to bad infantry support.
But in BK you always just tier asap and get the best tank asap. There is literally no downside when you max tier instantly, only advantages over those who dont.
Same with unlock lines. Why wouldnt you unlock the line that unlocks 4 tanks in a row, from Panzer IV to King Tiger or from 76 sherman to Pershing. You just never make a mistake when doing so. Its so fucking boring.
Also i dont expect DAUs to understand anything. Like: "oh, why cant i get a Pershing/KT and all WSC/ISC upgrades within 10 minutes?"
In general from my side, absolutely YES, but i think we have to thought out it a little bit more.
Go the DAU way of life. Never think of anything. Then you dont have to think at all in your life anymore. in 1991 after the cold war someone said that it is "The End of History". Perhaps he meant "Its the End of Human Thinking" but didnt want to speak it out too loud in fear of getting punished from all the DAU like people out there.
Boy, i can remember what a fight it was to get rid of the infinite permanent MG´s in Bunkers and the insane spam of those. Or the naked 88´s that were indestructible and which required an entire crusade first to get it fixed. Or what fight it was to finally fix the stupa. But somehow at that time Wolf had the spirit to do so and to end the Bunker madness in BK and suddenly a a lot of players came back and new joined. And even there people said "Dont change or people will leave". Quite the opposite has happned when the stupa madness was over. I think most people like changes in general but get disappointed when no changes happen.
The bad thing is that often times the "no sayers" and "status quo" guys who benefit from a system the most are also those defending it the loudest in fear of losing their position. Thats quite common. The bad thing is that a huge part of the population (in this case players) will sooner or later turn away from it giving up and not expecting anything to change for the better anymore.
