idliketoplaybetter wrote: ↑
16 Jun 2022, 05:09
U understand difference between the context and the quote itself? re-read my sentence.
Although I have explained what is what with the game and how skilled that is. Even Tara was surprised kek.
I keep tracking all BK games being uploaded by him and Tigar and i think all these replays show the issues quite clearly BK has:
Immediate rushes to to arty and medium tanks.
Watching Tara playing is interesting in particular since he refuses to play down metas aka rush medium tanks and arty. Nontheless he keeps being forced at some point to go down this route.
Usually he wins though due to sheer superior micro skill which is quite literally astonishing as you can see in many of his games.
But even this sheer superior skill in micro managment isnt enough in many games to beat players with really idiotic skill levels that keep bombing Tara down with arty and Medium tanks.
I mean look at this game:
Ete and these guys are really not great players from my experience when i played against them. But the arty/Tank meta is just kicking asses. Meta unlocks and abusive units are always better than actual player skill in BK and real doctrinal unlocks.
And yes, Tara said he played like shit and fucked up everything. But when this happens, you are even more forced to unlock basic stuff like M10´s and 76 shermans and thus further delaying actual doctrinal unlocks.
So in short you can unlock real doctrinal things only when you are (1) a much better player and (2) dominating the game and map right from the first game. If these points arent true, you are forced to unlock M10´s and 76 shermans (or stugs/Panzer IV on the other side) in order to have a realistic chance of a comeback. Any investment into infantry will be fruitless against the never ending waves of cheap medium tanks from your opponent and artillery barrages (which kwok and his team was so kind not to use)
More recently check this out:
At 12:55 he already had unlocked Storms and then unlocked the stug which in my opinion is a basic unit. At least the stug III should be a basic unit as it used to be for many many years in BK and Terror doc. But instead we have to throw CP´s for that now slowing really doctrinal tec.
If you watch closely, if he had rushed medium tanks -and in particular Panzer IV J for 3 CP total+ Maultier- he could have completely finished the entire enemie team. He was dominating the game with his recons and sniper already. So Panzer IV J and Maultier would have been a complete neckbreaker for the enemie team which in turn would have been forced to get an M10 unlock minimum since paks would have been killed by sniper and Maultier.
However, he refused to go straight for Maultier and any aggressive Medium Tank spam which in the long run cost him the entire game.
I mock only warhawks and his example.
which is just proving what i said above:
" And yes, Tara said he played like shit and fucked up everything. But when this happens, you are even more forced to unlock basic stuff like M10´s and 76 shermans and thus further delaying actual doctrinal unlocks.
So in short you can unlock real doctrinal things only when you are (1) a much better player and (2) dominating the game and map right from the first game. If these points arent true, you are forced to unlock M10´s and 76 shermans (or stugs/Panzer IV on the other side) in order to have a realistic chance of a comeback. Any investment into infantry will be fruitless against the never ending waves of cheap medium tanks from your opponent and artillery barrages (which kwok and his team was so kind not to use)"
He made a stupid example just to at least somehow live up this thread and I don't want to keep this logic alive.
I dont care what you want. Its a truth that a lot of CP´s ending up in unlocking stug III´s (which btw used to be a basic unit in Terror and BK doc for many many years), M10 and 76 shermans during the first 20-30 mins of the game. Thats what i see from my opponents every time and thats what i do myself all the time since its the best strat and investment.
He claims to see something special in that game to prove his point. I claim opposite and more, the guy who played it, stated opposite.
If you can't understand how this works, I don't know how to help.
I stated it many times, simply warhawks ignored this part. It's not my job to prove the point, but his. Which can't happen, as even source where example came to existing - says nope.
You could never prove that its not true that a huge junk of CP´s dont end up in M10´s, 76 shermans, stugs and artillery. You just cant prove it that people dont do that.
And Tara did not say the opposite, he said he fucked up the game. Which, as i can say again, forces you even more to unlock 76 shermans and m10 because Paks and Rangers wont bring you back into the game when your enemie spams Panzer IV´s and artillery against you.
So yeah, he played like shit=forces him to unlock basic units.
I did not insult anyone here, warhawks did. If he thinks writing words with stars instead of letters makes him still sound more trustworthy, welp.
No, but your general behaviour in any topic is like "Oh, i am so cool, everyone needs to love me because i am so cool. I am always right and dont need arguments or proves. I am always the best and omg, i am sooooo fucking cool. I make a few smilies and look like i am so fucking bad ass cool."
Like for real, when you can show me that its not true that 90% of the players spend their first 2-4 CP into Medium tanks and TD´s and artillery and dont even unlock them after 20-30 mins and instead unlock other really doctrinal stuff, i would admit that i was wrong. But i am arguing for like 2 years about repeating unlocks which are many times unlocks shared accross doctrines and i have never seen a game ever where this is not the case unless its some sort of gentlmen agreement between Kwok and Wald not to do this.
Again, he must be irritated just on himself for his own stupidity, not me questioning it.
I see just on irritated guy that is fooling himself ever since due to its own stupidity and who thinks who is always the coolest out there but who never ever brought any arguments and evidence to whatever topic he replied. He is just a waste of time of valuable life and who tries to look cool because thats all he can.
You guys are kids, who are not accepting the idea of someone not agreeing with you.
No, i can accept people not agreeing with me as long as they can bring some convincing counters. Again, pls show me that its not true that in 90% of all games people dont spend the first CP´s into medium tanks and TD´s that are shared accross the entire faction (hence i call them factional base units) and artillery units. I have countless of replays and yt vids proving people doing exactly this, esspecially when in a unfavourable position like tara was in this game at la fiere.
Do you have some as well that can prove the oppostie? I dont think so. And i dont expect to from someone saying that players like Estado Mayor is one of the best you ever played with who btw seems to be inactive for many years already.
I want respectfull public to notice the fact, that warhawks never even replied to Tarakancheg response that literally unvailed his point of posting the example. Instead, he decided to just reply me and only part that I mean (lack of example in e.g), he keeps ingoring.
What do you want to hear? He said he fucked up, Yes, maybe a light AT gun would have helped, idk. Nevertheless points are true:
1. You have to get basic unlocks like M10/76 sherman, esspecially when you fucked up the early game and want to survive and fight and push back ongoing enemie medium tank spam
2 of which dozens exist. There are more tanks than infantry making any infantry orientated unlock pointless
3 and thats because medium tanks are hell cheap. The take away CP´s from really doctrinal stuff and then get spammed like mad because they cost nothing.
My goal at this discussion was to point on what is what. I asked for a better example, and am not getting it, although you are yet again trying to conceale the fact of weak and false example base.
bruh, because there exist dozens of better examples. Pretty much every replay i uploaded in i think the past 5 years or so proved that. And i am sick of keep playing this game because its always the same. I didnt do anything else but unlocking medium tanks and arty in years now and i didnt see anyone being really successfull who doesnt do that.
And people like you would never understand. People like you existed in the forum like even 10 years ago. Even when i uploaded 5 replays a day repeating one strat to prove whats wrong you guys were so narrow minded that it was not worth it. I mean in the end some changes came.
The best examples of the past had been:
1. Panzer IV armor
2. 88 takikng no damage from arty
3. 3 or 4 CP Panzer IV H mass production (thats why its 5 in total today)
4. Grille barrage cost (which once stood at 35(
5. Wespe cost (once it was at 360/40 and 3 CP)
6. Stupa (aka long range instant killer offensive camp unit)
7. OP rear armor of certain tanks
8. Bunker spam with perma MG inside
... and many others.
Basically the whole time i play BK i had to abuse broken stuff, leading crusades and pissing players off due to abuse of said units and problems.
But one thing is for sure: People like you never going to understand a shit no matter what. So after 10 years i am really sick of arguing with people like you and bringing up tons of evidence guys like you are unable to process in your backward working brains.
The points above got fixed after a long time. And the people i had to argue with still dont understand why these things got changed even though it was obvious and they insult me privately to this day. I met one in vcoh 2 weeks ago and he insulted me that "i destroyed BK" because of the changes i mentioned here. The funny part is that he was once a clan mate and we played together.
So i think now you understand why i dont want to argue with kids like you anymore or that i waste my time to gather even more evidence of what is broken in BK because you would never understand it anyways and would keep insulting me like this former mate who to this day dont understand why Stupa and Bunkers got changed.