M3 USA SHERMAN

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mofetagalactica
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M3 USA SHERMAN

Postby mofetagalactica » 19 Sep 2017, 21:12

I would suggest to give M3 75mm shermans the hability to use AP rounds too (Just like the CW one has).

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Re: M3 USA SHERMAN

Postby Warhawks97 » 19 Sep 2017, 22:18

To achieve what?
Targets it cant attack wont be possible to attack. Basically, the ammount of targets it can reliable engage wont increase.

There are two things to say about us 75 mm and 76 mm gun.
1.The 75 is horrible in defeating even the slightest ammount of armor-> Stubby Tank IV´s (E and F1) with 50 mm of armor. Thats nonsense.
2. The 76 mm is bad in dealing with with armor thicker than Tank IV´s armor, which is realistic. However its also bad in dealing with Tank IV´s it is intended to kill.


Adding such things wont improve your situation when fighting armor with US shermans. Its just makes you waste 75 ammo for bullshit. And US has enough bullshit to waste ressources for. No reason to add more not working trash to the US that makes players wasting res.

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Re: M3 USA SHERMAN

Postby sgtToni95 » 20 Sep 2017, 20:34

I think hawks sounds so negative here and i don't think what he mentions is balance breaking.
It's probably true ap rounds wouldn't change much, but US has better tanks to deal with armor, and CW too so you should probably get those (hellcat, m10, 76mm/17pdr sherman).

75mm sherman is already one of the best tools to deal with infantry, so it already works pretty decently.

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Re: M3 USA SHERMAN

Postby idliketoplaybetter » 20 Sep 2017, 21:35

To achieve what x2?
U didnt even point our what is the problem with this unit NOT having it..
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Re: M3 USA SHERMAN

Postby Warhawks97 » 20 Sep 2017, 22:18

It kills inf. Ok. But there is still no point in adding ap rounds except if you want to make Bk rookies wasting lots of ammo for nothing.

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Re: M3 USA SHERMAN

Postby Nieles » 21 Sep 2017, 05:21

Im sorry Mofe, but warhakws is absolutely right here! I dont see any point why we should at AP also
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Re: M3 USA SHERMAN

Postby mofetagalactica » 21 Sep 2017, 06:54

Weird tho, i use the M4 of the CW a lot with AP rounds, and they're good and killing Pz4 J and H. I thought the M3 had the same weapon, but just dosnt have the AP rounds. But its fine then i dont mind i was just suggesting something. Like warhawks says Sherman75mm dosnt have chance againts PzIII and PzVI.

As for USA shermans i actually stoped using them and im winning more games since that, Shermans 75 and 76 are pure crap with high upkeep. I replaced them with M10 (actually best cheap tank for usa) and im blowing tigers and panthers with them really easy, while supporting them with scotts. Even after the recent change to armor doc, wich is shit by the way 'cause almost all changes where made to make shermans more "popular", but they still being shit with crazy upkeep. So if you're actually going to give a novice an advice it would be better to tell them to not make shermans, unless you actually have huge invested all cp's ,mp and fuel just to have a shitty non-reliable 76mm cannon by that time (that still has shitty acuracy , low rof, low damage) they will wreck into pieces by panthers and tigers.

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Re: M3 USA SHERMAN

Postby Warhawks97 » 21 Sep 2017, 14:48

I made similiar experiences back then. The shermans worked and to work out better in inf doc for me as in armor doc. In inf a single HE sherman is a much better investment to support a rifle or ranger squad as to spam 5 rifle squads to support one ranger squad.

In armor doc it works the same way. Its better to get M10´s or M18 to support vehicles like M16, m20 and scott and those later to support your pershing as to spam lots of shermans. They have been made just more spamable without fixing the core issues: Unarmored glass canon units.

There are three major things that can potentially "replace" the idea of being a pure spam based unit.

1. Armor buff, at least against 50 mm guns
2. Increase rate of fire. They were know for their rate of fire, esspecially compared to panther and firefly.
3. Buff their guns. 75 mm against early tank IV models and the 76 against all Tank IV´s.

But as for now, every "add on" to shermans that cost something will be wasted res. Boosts in game are given in percantage by their basic stats. And when those are horrible, there wont be much of a boost.

The whole idea of US spam "Only" and more importanlty "single unit type spam only" needs to be rethought. Hows that possible that the two spam intended docs working better without using the spam and instead using alternative units. This is so damn weird. And 90% of the players have learned that lesson. inf doc fights mainly with arty/emplacment/ ranger boost and armor doc with vehicles and pershing and TD´s.



Off topic: Why is this topic named M3 sherman. Its m4 sherman.


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