Tiger has at max range 0,608 (60.8%) to penetrate Pershing. (0.80864 = 80.864% with Wolfram + damage boost 25%)
Panther has at max range 0.576 (57.6%) to pentrate Pershing. (0.76608 = 76.608% with Wolfram + damage boost 25%)
Pershing has at max range 0.783 (78.3%) to Penetrate Tiger. (1.36242 = 136% -15% damage nerf)
Pershing has at max range 0.66642 (66,642%) to Penetrate Panther with skirts (1.159 = 159% -15% damage nerf).
So in numbers Pershing with AP ammo active will always penetrate Tigers and Panthers. However Tigers and Panters have about the same or higher chance to penetrate Pershings with AP (Wolfram) than Pershings without AP. But Axis tanks with Wolfram have +25% damage (which makes them able to one-shot Pershings) While Pershings with AP have -15% damage which reduces their chance of one-shotting Panthers and Tigers (you said they take two shots to kill by Pershing). The fact is that the best US tank cannot face the best top tier Axis vehicles. So what is the problem here? Pershings are meant to be counters to Panthers and Tigers and they are now. But Pershings still suck against anything that is above their tier. Keep in mind that Pershings are available in a single doctrine while Tigers are in BK and Terror and Panthers are in Terror and Luft so 4 doctrines have unit against which 1 Allied doctrine has a good counter (and try to tell me that your opponent goes usually double Armor) not to mention that every Axis doctrine has a unit that is on Pershing's tier or higher so they can destroy Pershings - Def doc Elepahnt, BK Tiger, Terror Tigers, Panthers and KTs, SE Nashorn, Luft Panthers, TH Nashorns, JPIV L70, Nashorns, JP and JT.
So if Allies do not pick Armor, you have units that can stomp them in the ground while if Axis pick any doctrine they have units to take out any Allied doctrine - this is simple fact. If I am wrong here tell where exactly.
Maybe in your games you saw that Pershings easily wiped Tigers or Panthers but that is their role. But I gave you some numbers and keep i mind that CoH has random factor in it and that means that not ten games but tens or hundreds show the real balance.
So in a case that your opponent doesn't have Armor doctrine, your Tigers and Pershings are still "not heavy tanks"? Also isn't this how Pershings felt to allies in past years? Now they are on same level so don't think that "I have tiger/panther so allies can kiss my ass" but treat your heavies more carefully. Actually in mid game PIV H/J are better than Shermans 76 so you can roll over Allies in this stage - Axis have upper hand. If you let the game drag to later stage, Allies might have a bit upper hand (still not unbeatable).EstadoMayor wrote:but now it´s ridiculous, now we build a tiger thinking it´s like a 76W, a Jumbo or a hellcat, not a heavy tank, but the price is still like a heavy tank, wich is unfair.
Allies have nothing like Patherturm. Pak40 emplacement is equivalent to 76mm emplacement, Axis MG nest is equivalent to US/CW MG nests. Do you see these often? If yes, then what do Axis have to counter them that Allies don't have? In the past people complained that Axis had more arty which was used to fuck up emplacements - that did not change. Panther turms are rarely used because they are only in Def doc and this doc is underused. Really tell me - what counter in Axis army counter attacks these buildings that Allies do not build 76mm empacements or MG nets?EstadoMayor wrote:You say Markr about simple solutions, well ask allies for simple solutions and they have all of them, I haven´t seen any pantherturm since long long time ago, I haven´t seen any pack 40 emplacement, axis MG nests few few times, I mean there are units/buildings they are useless because of allies has always something to counter attack axis army,
From my point of view you only point at "strong allies sides" but don't notice that Axis have the same or similar things too.
and look into your consciousness and tell me you tried what I told you here instead of saying to yourself "nah, that is bullshit because xyz" without giving it a shot.EstadoMayor wrote: and the biggest frustration arrive when you come here and everybody tell you you know nothing and you want simple solutions.